PvP
For all possible perks, check out Perfect Paradox over on light.gg
Rapid-fire frames in PvP are a different breed. They’re not like Aggressive or Precision Frames for the spicy, consistent one-hit kills. If you want something like that in this slot, you want to farm Menagerie for Dust Rock Blues or even Toil and Trouble.
The big debate here will be Opening Shot or Rampage. Many folks, like Sheikh (aka Destiny Fun Police) prefer Rampage + Rampage Spec in the final slot. I don’t and here’s why:
- Rapid-fire frames require 12 pellets to kill. Each tier of Rampage decreases the number of pellets needed by one. Here’s DFP going on a killing spree with Rampage x 2, the tier where you need 10 pellets to kill (i.e. a Dust Rock Blues pellet count). If you’re going to two-tap basically no matter what, I’d rather have Opening Shot to increase the chance more of my pellets hit. Even DFP says, “Using a Rapid-Fire shotgun you’re going to have to double-tap most people.”
- I prefer to use Icarus Grip in my mod slot. That doesn’t negate the power of Rampage in general but if you’re not going to run Rampage Spec, that’s even less of a reason to consider running Rampage.
Based on the YouTube content creator hive mind, I’m in the minority on this opinion. It’s easy to farm; be your own judge :)
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(PvP) Aztecross Collector’s Edition 🌶 - 0.2% chance: Alright, here’s a spicy take. Firmly Planted works while sliding and increases Accuracy specifically, not indirectly via Range. We discussed Opening Shot above and how I value hitting more pellets all the time versus doing a negligible additional amount of damage when Rampage is active, some of the time. This is the first roll that Aztecross uses in his video review (among others). It cleans up!
Barrels [ 33%]: Full Choke Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 16%]: Firmly Planted Perks 2 [ 33%]: Opening Shot MWorks [ 25%]: Range MW -
(PvP) Aztecross CE 🌶(Relaxed First Perk) - 0.3% chance: Slideshot will be juuuuust fine here.
Barrels [ 33%]: Full Choke Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 33%]: Firmly Planted, Slideshot Perks 2 [ 33%]: Opening Shot MWorks [ 25%]: Range MW -
(PvP) Aztecross CE 🌶(Relaxed Barrel) - 0.3% chance: Rifled Barrel will be juuuuust fine here.
Barrels [ 60%]: Full Choke, Rifled Barrel Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 16%]: Firmly Planted Perks 2 [ 33%]: Opening Shot MWorks [ 25%]: Range MW -
(PvP) Aztecross CE 🌶(Relaxed First Perk and Barrel) - 0.6% chance: Combining the previous two rolls.
Barrels [ 60%]: Full Choke, Rifled Barrel Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 33%]: Firmly Planted, Slideshot Perks 2 [ 33%]: Opening Shot MWorks [ 25%]: Range MW -
(PvP) Aztecross CE 🌶(Totally Relaxed) - 2.2% chance: Amazing roll still.
Barrels [ 60%]: Full Choke, Rifled Barrel Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 33%]: Firmly Planted, Slideshot Perks 2 [ 33%]: Opening Shot MWorks [100%]: * -
(PvP) Destiny Fun Police Collector’s Edition 👮♂️ - 0.2% chance: DFP’s favourite roll!
Barrels [ 33%]: Full Choke Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 16%]: Slideshot Perks 2 [ 33%]: Rampage MWorks [ 25%]: Range MW -
(PvP) DFP CE 👮♂️(Relaxed First Perk) - 0.3% chance: Slideshot will be juuuuust fine here.
Barrels [ 33%]: Full Choke Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 33%]: Firmly Planted, Slideshot Perks 2 [ 33%]: Rampage MWorks [ 25%]: Range MW -
(PvP) DFP CE 👮♂️(Relaxed Barrel) - 0.3% chance: Rifled Barrel will be juuuuust fine here.
Barrels [ 60%]: Full Choke, Rifled Barrel Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 16%]: Slideshot Perks 2 [ 33%]: Rampage MWorks [ 25%]: Range MW -
(PvP) DFP CE 👮♂️(Relaxed First Perk and Barrel) - 0.6% chance: Combining the previous two rolls.
Barrels [ 60%]: Full Choke, Rifled Barrel Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 33%]: Firmly Planted, Slideshot Perks 2 [ 33%]: Rampage MWorks [ 25%]: Range MW -
(PvP) DFP CE 👮♂️(Totally Relaxed) - 2.2% chance: Amazing roll still.
Barrels [ 60%]: Full Choke, Rifled Barrel Mags [ 33%]: Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 33%]: Firmly Planted, Slideshot Perks 2 [ 33%]: Rampage MWorks [100%]: *PvE
For all possible perks, check out Perfect Paradox over on light.gg
There’s a good bit of cargo-culting when it comes to shotgun “God Rolls” and while I don’t think there’s any outright awful damage perks here, I do think you’re better off with some than with others. Aztecross is a good balance of science and excitement in terms of roll knowledge, so check it out; he’s one of the rare folks to see the value in the criminally underrated Firmly Planted on shotguns.
There are a ton of damage-boosting perks on Perfect Paradox! We have Swashbuckler, One-Two Punch, Trench Barrel and Rampage. Let’s go!
- One-Two Punch: If you’re going to be using One-Two, you’re better off with a high(er) impact shotgun. Your flow is shoot-punch-punch-shoot-… and with a Rapid Fire frame, your “shoot” is doing very little damage, comparatively. The perk is solid, but not on this frame IMHO.
- Trench Barrel: Post-Warmind, Trench Barrel took it on the chin. It was limited to a few seconds or three shots. Given that Bungie has never gone back on a nerf, feel free to pick one of these up for posterity but it’s not all that great. It’s kind of like the reverse One-Two Punch. Your flow is punch-shoot-shoot-shoot-punch-… so it’s better for large(r) add clear but if you’re dealing with larger adds/bosses you’re getting stomped away so yeah, it’s fine but not anyone’s go-to at the moment.
- Rampage: Solid! Not much to say here; same as it ever was. Throw a Rampage Spec mod on to extend the duration by 1s.
- Swashbuckler: I prefer Swashbuckler here because it lasts as long as Rampage + Rampage Spec and you can shortcut the with a melee to Swash x 5.
BONUS! From Ehroar, a pretty slick Infinite Ammo Perfect Paradox Build!
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(PvE) Super Picky Demolitionist 💣 - 1.7% chance: With an extra one in the mag from Appended and Demolitionist, you’re going to be constantly reloading your magazine.
Barrels [ 93%]: Smallbore, Barrel Shroud, Corkscrew Rifling, Full Choke Mags [ 33%]: Appended Mag Perks 1 [ 16%]: Demolitionist Perks 2 [ 33%]: Swashbuckler MWorks [100%]: * -
(PvE) Demolitionist 💣 (Relaxed Mags) - 4.1% chance: Same as the above, but the mags aren’t harmful so we’re relaxing.
Barrels [ 93%]: Smallbore, Barrel Shroud, Corkscrew Rifling, Full Choke Mags [ 80%]: Appended Mag, Light Mag, Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 16%]: Demolitionist Perks 2 [ 33%]: Swashbuckler MWorks [100%]: * -
(PvE) Runner and Gunner 🏃♂️ - 7.5% chance: Keep sliding and shooting and sliding and shooting…
Barrels [ 93%]: Smallbore, Barrel Shroud, Corkscrew Rifling, Full Choke Mags [ 80%]: Appended Mag, Light Mag, Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 16%]: Slideshot Perks 2 [ 60%]: Swashbuckler, Rampage MWorks [100%]: * -
(PvE) Fiiine, Trench Barrel 🤷♂️ - 1.7% chance: You really want a Trench Barrel roll don’t you? Let’s go with Appended for a larger mag (presumably you’re dyyying to throw a Boss or Major Spec mod on here) and Field Prep for faster reload when you’re crouched in front of a boss/major.
Barrels [ 93%]: Smallbore, Barrel Shroud, Corkscrew Rifling, Full Choke Mags [ 33%]: Appended Mag Perks 1 [ 16%]: Field Prep Perks 2 [ 33%]: Trench Barrel MWorks [100%]: * -
(PvE) Fiiine, Trench Barrel 🤷♂️(Relaxed Magazines) - 4.1% chance: Losing one in the mag will be fine, go nuts with your TB roll.
Barrels [ 93%]: Smallbore, Barrel Shroud, Corkscrew Rifling, Full Choke Mags [ 80%]: Appended Mag, Light Mag, Accurized Rounds Perks 1 [ 16%]: Field Prep Perks 2 [ 33%]: Trench Barrel MWorks [100%]: *